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Where does Griffey rank among the alltime greats?

Posted on: June 11, 2008 9:15 am
 

I was listening to some sports talk show here in Chicago yesterday.  The host, who is a baseball guy and old enough to remember people like Aaron, Mays, Clemente, Banks and others from that generation claimed that at the beginning of his career that Griffey was bar-none the greatest baseball player he had ever seen, and it got me thinking who would be better from those I have seen play.  I couldn't come up with a name.  Some will point to Griffey's highest HR totals coincide with the height of the steroid era from 1996 to 1999, but if you look at his age, those were and should have been his prime years and I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and partially due to that he is not a jackwad as a person, but also due to serious allegations never surfacing about Griffey in regards to steroids.  Personally I don't think a list of the to 25 players of all time is complete without him on that list and I would like to ask of you what you think of him as a player, as a person, and what he means to the game.

For me, I think it is a damn shame that his legacy will be grouped with McGwire, Bonds, Sosa and Palmeiro.  I think those names diminish the meaning of 600 HRs.  Griffey has earned every right to be alongside Aaron, Ruth and Mays in my estimation, those others have not.  While the vast majority of the population will not be able to separate the two, I would at least hope that lifelong baseball fans would be able to tell and note the difference.

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Since: Dec 1, 2008
Posted on: December 3, 2008 2:01 pm
 

Where does Griffey rank among the alltime greats?

OOPs....

I meant to say Clemente.

 




Since: Dec 1, 2008
Posted on: December 1, 2008 10:58 pm
 

Where does Griffey rank among the alltime greats?

Nowhere...please!!!

He could not carry Bill Mazeroski's jock strap.

 

what a joke.

 




Since: Sep 9, 2006
Posted on: June 14, 2008 1:19 am
 

Where does Griffey rank among the alltime greats?

I love Griffey's game and his abilities especially when I was younger, however not the greatest ever unless character is the most important criteria.  But would pay to see him play, any day !  I think, well you may want to laugh but on pure talent as a hitter and a very respectable shortstop...I think Alex Rodriguez is the best of this era and best ever..Not to mention he overshadowed Griffey in Seattle for a time... No he is not well recieved, no he isnt very likeable for some of the bush league things he has done and his postseason ineptitude, but by no means is he Bonds  (media darling,lol) here are some cool facts from wikipedia....

Since , his first full season, through he leads the Major Leagues in (HR), scored, (RBI), total bases and extra-base hits. He is currently first in and ; second in and RBI, and 4th in among all players in baseball history prior to their 31st birthday. In addition, to this point in his career Rodriguez has more HR, RBI, runs scored and more base hits than all-time leaders (RBI), (HR), (runs scored), and (hits) did prior to their 31st birthdays. He is the youngest player ever to hit , breaking the record set in 1939.

Awards I care about

2-time AL MVP , 2-time AL Gold Glove Award (SS), and AL Allstar at SS and 3B

If it is about all the other stuff and how people feel about there athelete look no further than  Aaron as the best ever in those instances he helped unifiy parts of the country in a time that there respective beliefs where at a boiling point.

If it is fun and games, talent, and championships then Babe Ruth was the "superman" of his time, not only an icon becasue of baseball but a household name due to the radio and his larger than life personality....




Since: Dec 20, 2007
Posted on: June 13, 2008 7:22 pm
 

Where does Griffey rank among the alltime greats?

Quite simply, he's one of the best baseball players I've ever seen.  If you consider every facet of the game (hitting, fielding, throwing, speed, smarts, etc.), he might be THE best of the modern era.  I agree with most comments so far, if not for injuries, his stats would be even more impressive.



Since: Sep 14, 2006
Posted on: June 12, 2008 6:56 pm
 

Where does Griffey rank among the alltime greats?

Thanks for your list of 20 players...now lets dissect just a few of the non-pitchers...

1. Pop Warner?  what the heck...the football coach...uh the football league I played in in middle school?  I think you meant something else.

2.  Wade Boggs.  A good for average hitter, but Griffey has hit almost 500 more home runs, 600 RBIs and similar runs with a career average more than 30 points below Boggs.  Lets get realistic...Batting average only matters if it scores your team runs or bats people in.  Plus, Boggs has no speed...so he wasn't a stealing threat. 

3.  Tris Speaker, Honus Wagner.  Again both great hitters for average, with no power.  This was also at the turn of the century where the pitching was atrocious, and players were fielding the ball with chunks of leather for mitts.  Honestly, I don't think records matter much before the Great Depression. Otherwise, Brown College is the greatest school ever.

4.  Duke Snider.  In the same amount of years (of which Griffey has missed like 200 games due to injury), Griffey has ten more gold gloves, 200 more home runs, almost 500 more RBIs and runs.  Not even the same ballpark as far as outfielders goes. 

5. Rod Carew.  I know Adam Sandler mentions him in song, but Grif has over 500 more home runs, almost 700 more runs and RBIs.  Average is the only catagory that Carew is good at.  Including defense.  If you want to compare Carew to other 2B, he has great numbers...but come on...

6.  Lou Brock.  The guy was a great base stealer, but otherwise, his average is similar to Griffeys, but Brock's power numbers are worse than Carew's.  Still no gold gloves. 

7.  Roger Hornsby.  Great career average, but again, in that questionable time of pre-Depression.  O.K. power numbers...I personally think that Chipper Jones would play better than Hornsby in his era. 


I really don't have time to look up the rest.  I already know that Foxx deserves to be on the list...but nobody ever talks about Foxx's defense.    Realistically, the argument is between Griffey, Mantle, Ruth, Aaron, Schmidt, Foxx, Mays, Gehrig, Banks, Robinson (both), Bonds, Clemente,  Musial, Cobb, Williams.  Jackson, Rose, then currently maybe A-Rod and Manny (but he doesn't play good defense)...overall when you incorporate defense, I think Griffey moves into the top ten (offensive players)...Include pitchers, and he's still top 30.  If you don't believe this, then you haven't been watching or are a Reds fan. 



Since: Mar 6, 2007
Posted on: June 12, 2008 8:26 am
 

Where does Griffey rank among the alltime greats?

Names that haven't been mentioned that are greats better than Griffey.  Not that I don't think Griffey is good but great or greatest ever, come on. 

1) Rogers Hornsby  358 life time average

2) Ed Delehanty .346 life time average

3) Tris Speaker .345 life time average

4) Stan Musial .331 475 hr

5) Pop Warner .333

6) Wade Boggs

7) Rod Carew

8)  Jimmie Foxx

9) Hones Wagner

10) Frank Robinson

11) Mel Ott

12) Carl Yastzreemski

13) Duke Snider

14) Al Caline

15) Cy Young

16) Walter Johnson

17) Grover Alexander

18) Christy Mathewson

19) Warren Spahn

20) Lou Brock

well there are 20 that weren't mentioned and you could add Barry bonds who is by far better than Griffey.  Just something for all of you to think about before you throw Griffey in there as one of the top 10.  Not even close IMO.  Pretty powerful players up there wouldn't you agree. 




Since: Jun 28, 2007
Posted on: June 12, 2008 2:36 am
 

Where does Griffey rank among the alltime greats?

He is the greatest ever.




Since: Jun 6, 2008
Posted on: June 12, 2008 2:26 am
 

Where does Griffey rank among the alltime greats?

I think griff is within the top ten complete players of all time ... no qustion ... A ten time AL gold glove winner ... not only was is he one of the best hitters of all time you should say the same about his fielding ... him and willy are the most complete centerfielders to ever play the game

I have a question ... where do you think griffey ranks among active players ... i know he now leads active players in homers with sosa to "retire"  ... but just as a complete player where is he?




Since: Sep 27, 2007
Posted on: June 12, 2008 12:46 am
 

Where does Griffey rank among the alltime greats?

Griffey Jr. is right there with the best of them. Not only as a talent and a great person, but he brought so many kids and big kids alike into and back into baseball. Dating back to 1988 and 1989 when, not only the pacific northwest, but the entire nation... the "kid" inspired us all !  Not to mention, card collectors of all professional sports. Remember his upper deck rookie card !  As a seattle mariner fan , I hope he returns to the M's for his remaining years.




Since: Jun 4, 2008
Posted on: June 12, 2008 12:25 am
 

Where does Griffey rank among the alltime greats?

great comments

many people don't mention those names in regard to greatness. Ruth,Gehrig, Mantle were great yankees, & Mays was quite a all-time great.  Griffey has done it through injuries & the live ball but should'nt be remembered with all the steroid stuff.  I think the raw talent Griffey possess plus he is still playing is a testament to his great baseball career.  A few years ago I did'nt think he would still be playing.



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