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Ferentz, Iowa AD locations revealed

Posted on: January 27, 2011 12:31 pm
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Posted by Jerry Hinnen

Yesterday Iowa hosted a press conference regarding the mysterious hospitalization of 13 of its players that virtually every observer, this blog included, regarded as a "near-total disaster ." The major complaint: despite the grave importance of the issue and the need to present the most united front possible, neither head coach Kirk Ferentz nor athletic director Gary Barta were present at the press conference. In fact, no Iowa football coaches were present at all.

So putting aside the issue of why strength and conditioning coach Chris Doyle wasn't present to address the workouts that had led to the hospitalizations, where were Ferentz and Barta in the program's hour of need? Columnist Mike Hlas of the Iowa City Gazette has your answers:
Barta was out of town on Wednesday. He will be in the Fort Myers-Naples, Fla. area through at least Friday. An annual University of Iowa Athletic Association fundraising golf event is in Naples on Friday ...

“He made the best decision he could make based on what he needs to do,” said Iowa senior associate athletic director Jane Meyer , who didn’t flinch from taking questions herself after the press conference ...

Ferentz, meanwhile, was in Cleveland to reportedly meet with Glenville High School Coach Ted Ginn about possible future recruits. The night before, he was in Strongsville, Ohio, to visit with a high school tight end who has verbally committed to the Hawkeyes.

Hlas correctly points out that even if Ferentz and Barta were present at the press conference, the notoriously media-unfriendly duo wouldn't have yielded much more information, if any, than was revealed anyway.

But regardless, their entirely-avoidable absence sends the message -- as inaccurate as it certainly is -- that they don't view the hospitalization of 13 (13! ) of their players as an issue that's really all that important. Ferentz and Barta appear to believe, even if they don't, that a serious health issue that took place within their team on their watch isn't worth their time. As Hlas writes:

They’re the two main men of Hawkeye sports, the leader of the athletic department and the boss of all things football. Unless they have their own family crises, when 13 of their athletes are in a hospital, they have to be the faces and voices that are out front.

How much damage their absence will really do -- how much damage the gushing torrent of bad press can actually cause -- is highly debatable. But there's no question that their unwillingness to confront the issue in person has done nothing to make an already ugly situation for the Hawkeye program any better.


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Since: Sep 23, 2010
Posted on: January 30, 2011 1:45 pm
 

Ferentz, Iowa AD locations revealed

Another ignorant comment by an ignorant little man, did you actually graduate from Arkansas, or did you just live close by?

Another childish personal attack that is consistant with an infantile need to hang on to an opinion regardless of how ridiculous the position you hold.

Because reporters moving truths and drawing conclusions from half truths is not common???????

As we all agreed earlier, all media outlets and reporters in general are participating in a huge conspiracy aimed at defaming the University of Iowa. 

Because you don't you are making false assumptions and speculating on things that you have no clue about...

I think the whole country has a "clue" that 13 players wound up in the hospital.  I think my original post suggested an investigation was in order "without a premature conclusion" that someone should be fired.  Surprisingly enough, evereyone including the University of Iowa
agree.


Are you that naive and uninformed? A reporter can't go into a hospital, especially where patients are being held. If a reporter would have conducted an interview with a parent, they would have dropped a name to gain credibility.....

So, you know everything there is about workouts.  You know more than doctors about medicine.  And now you know more than reporters know about how and what they can report.  Allow me to educate you.  A reporter will not "drop a name" if their source has asked not to be identified. 

I'm done reading your redundant B.S. and will no longer reply to your ignorant posts on a subject that you are ill informed about,

That's the best news i have heard.  I am sure that most people on these boards would wish you would make them the same promise. 




Since: Aug 27, 2006
Posted on: January 30, 2011 10:03 am
 

Ferentz, Iowa AD locations revealed

Wow, you think it's "cute" when my rebuttal points out that you have no rebuttal but are resorting to claiming I have no sources
Because you don't you are making false assumptions and speculating on things that you have no clue about...
I can only quote what the news sources print. So, yes, there were reporters quoting the parents anger directed at Kirk Frentz and the response of the Iowa staff.  Shall I repost it for you in case you missed it the first three times?
Are you that naive and uninformed?  A reporter can't go into a hospital, especially where patients are being held.  If a reporter would have conducted an interview with a parent, they would have dropped a name to gain credibility.....  Is this over your head or are you following along?
Oh, wait.  In your mind the reporters were not there and they are just making this up.  I suppose in your twisted little world CBS and NBC are in collusion with there sole "reason for being" is to defame the University of Iowa.  In your twisted little world everyone that is reporting these things are fabricating them.

Because reporters moving truths and drawing conclusions from half truths is not common???????  You believe everything that is reported word for word??
Yes, in your previous post you have already demonstrated a complete lack of grasp for what "common sense" dictates.  Do we really need to revisit that?
That would be nice genius.  Your a funny little man, give me a name of an angry parent or transfer....  that's all I'm saying and you reply blah, blah, blah, some reporter was supposedly in the hospital and witnessed angry parents (who met with Ferentz behind closed doors).  That's great and I hope your confident that is accurate, because in a card game last night my Uncle played with 2 of the players parents that were hospitalized.... it was confirmed that was not accurate.  But you're right CBS has more info than the parents of the aforementioned student athletes.....
You have already made it plain that you consider this situation "amusing" to you. 
Another ignorant comment by an ignorant little man, did you actually graduate from Arkansas, or did you just live close by?  I have never once hinted that "this situation was amusing" only that the reaction of ignorant people that have no clue what is going on.

after 3 days of grueling workouts.
They worked out on Thursday and Friday, then partied on Saturday and Sunday.... worked out on Monday and were hospitalized.  Everyone who is "properly educated" on this condition has stated that if the players were over consuming alcohol over the weekend ( they are college kids....) were loading creatine and pushed themselves during an intense workout......  "That would increase the likeliness off this illness".
I'm done reading your redundant B.S. and will no longer reply to your ignorant posts on a subject that you are ill informed about, yet you want to put your 2 cents in on.




Since: Sep 23, 2010
Posted on: January 30, 2011 3:02 am
 

Ferentz, Iowa AD locations revealed

That's a cute rebuttal....  
Wow, you think it's "cute" when my rebuttal points out that you have no rebuttal but are resorting to claiming I have no sources.

Again, there were reporters in the hospital that were witnessing these parents anger towards Kirk Ferentz?

I can only quote what the news sources print. So, yes, there were reporters quoting the parents anger directed at Kirk Frentz and the response of the Iowa staff.  Shall I repost it for you in case you missed it the first three times?
Oh, wait.  In your mind the reporters were not there and they are just making this up.  I suppose in your twisted little world CBS and NBC are in collusion with there sole "reason for being" is to defame the University of Iowa.  In your twisted little world everyone that is reporting these things are fabricating them.

I would think if these parents were that upset that we would already have heard that Iowa was going to have transfers and that recruits are backing out of their commitments...

Yes, in your previous post you have already demonstrated a complete lack of grasp for what "common sense" dictates.  Do we really need to revisit that?

...continue with your feeble attempts at making this situation worse than it is, it's amusing

You have already made it plain that you consider this situation "amusing" to you.  Perhaps I have misinterpreted the situation.  13 young men wind up in the hospital after 3 days of grueling workouts.  Haven't figured out what about that is amusing to you.  How does this situation get worse than it is?  Oh wait, you already answered that, "nobody died". 
Perhaps you missed the quote where this occurred in South Carolina.  Perhaps you wish to ignore that preventative measures were recommended by a Doctor that studied that situation.  I suppose you will maintain that the person in charge of the workout at Iowa was in no way responsible for reading, knowing or following the recommendations of a medical Doctor.  I am sure that you are much more qualified than the Doctor making those recommendations.

The fact is, you are not qualified.  Being a friend of the families(so you say) does not carry any medical qualifications.  You have repeatedly made statements that have been refuted in the press.  You accuse the same press of blowing this out of proportion. 

I suppose that you would have the same misguided opinion if one of those boys had died of kidney failure.  I am sure you would have found some other circumstance to blame it on.  Your constant denial that any reasonable investigation is warranted is not even supported by the University of Iowa.  They are moving forward with virtually the exact course of action that I suggested should occur. 

You, on the other hand, have been so pre-occupied with defending you idiotic opinion that you have made yourself out to be a fool on a public forum.(yes, you are making arguments that prove that you have less grasp of the situation than the people you refer to as morons and idiots).

Perhaps you will tell us again that there is no story here, everything is just fine and please quit picking on poor little Iowa because there's no story here.  There is no story here because nobody died..............this time.




Since: Aug 27, 2006
Posted on: January 29, 2011 9:36 pm
 

Ferentz, Iowa AD locations revealed

That's a cute rebuttal....  Again, there were reporters in the hospital that were witnessing these parents anger towards Kirk Ferentz?  The media never blows things up more than they really are, right?  I would think if these parents were that upset that we would already have heard that Iowa was going to have transfers and that recruits are backing out of their commitments...  I have yet to see that, but I have heard that the players are anxious to get back to training (the 5 that were released today).  I would say that my source is a little better than yours, since two of the players happen to be friends of the family.  But go a head and make all of the assumptions that you would like and continue with your feeble attempts at making this situation worse than it is, it's amusing.



Since: Sep 23, 2010
Posted on: January 29, 2011 2:30 pm
 

Ferentz, Iowa AD locations revealed

I understand that you have no reasonable argument so you have resorted to nit-picking the sources of my argument.

I completely understand that you feel your argument is successful based on the idiotic remark of  "who died".  I'm certain that you feel that is a logical response that these boys can have a successful carreer since they are not dead.  Perhaps you feel they can continue their workouts from the hospital! 


Here's an article from John Taylor on MSNBC.  Although I am sure that you will call him a MORON and label this as "trash talk".  That's your mentality.  Nobody has any business saying anything unless they check it with you first!

As the disturbing situation involving continues into its fourth day — including news Thursday that the school had into the causes of their medical issues — a couple of details have emerged that shed additional light on the latest embarrassment facing the university.

The good news is the players passed a significant test — literally.  The bad news is at least some of the people who gave birth to the Hawkeye players are not quite ready to give the head coach a pass for his actions since Monday.

According to Dave Curtis of Sporting News, and citing a source with knowledge of the situation, tests for illegal drugs were performed on all 13 players and .  The tests were performed to help determine the cause — or eliminate one of the potential causes — of the  the players were diagnosed with.

While the tests ruled out illegal drugs in the players’ systems, supplements were not ruled out as a possibility according to the report.

That was the good news.  The not-so-good news involved the parents of the players.  Specifically, their reaction to head coach Kirk Ferentz‘s reaction in the immediate aftermath of their sons’ hospitalization.

The 13 players were hospitalized Monday afternoon while Ferentz was out on a recruiting junket.  Ferentz remained on the trip visiting potential recruits for at least 48 hours after the fact, not returning until after was held.

The players were expected to receive another visit Thursday night from Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz. Ferentz returned from the recruiting trail Wednesday and visited the players that night. First, he met with a group of parents frustrated that he didn’t return when the players were hospitalized Monday.

“Kirk took a lot of (stuff),” the source said. “But he stood there and took it all. He’s been incredibly remorseful about the whole thing.”

So, based on this report, a group of parents was displeased with Ferentz’s response.  Apparently, the media wasn’t just the head coach.

Just as apparent is that the words “shame” and “embarrassed” doesn’t begin to describe how the University of Iowa should be feeling as to how this whole mess has played out.

Going on Day Four of this imbroglio, the head coach has yet to publicly address 13 of his players being hospitalized following workouts he presumably approved.  The athletic director’s name was attributed to a statement Tuesday while he was on a Florida golf trip with alumni, and that’s the only time Gary Barta has been heard from.

Neither the head coach nor the athletic director were a part of the first press conference addressing the situation.  Neither has spoken publicly in the four days since the players were hospitalized.





Since: Aug 27, 2006
Posted on: January 29, 2011 1:58 pm
 

Ferentz, Iowa AD locations revealed

It's interesting that you failed to mention anyones name while utilizing quotations in your reply....  So you quoted someone and didn't know who they were?  That shows a lot of credibility......



Since: Sep 23, 2010
Posted on: January 29, 2011 12:00 pm
 

Ferentz, Iowa AD locations revealed

aaronhawkeye44:What I see is every parent of the hospitalized football players backing the coaching staff and the University.....


Is this where they are backing the coaching staff and the University?

According to one parent, Ferentz was "blistered" for not returning to Iowa sooner.

"Where were you?" one parent said he asked Ferentz. "How can you be out recruiting other kids? You sat in our living room and told us you'd take care of them."

The parent said Ferentz "was quiet. I believe he is devastated by all this. He has been wonderful. But his mistake was not coming off the road right away."

Iowa athletic director Gary Barta also has not commented on the matter. Barta did not immediately return a message Friday.

Some parents are blaming the intensity of a workout conducted Jan. 20 in which a strength and conditioning staff member had players do 100 squats at half their weight capability before pushing sleds.

According to a parent, after a three-week layoff following the Insight Bowl, this was the first workout the players were asked to do.

According to a parent, a strength coach said in a meeting before the sessions that the Hawkeyes had failed to finish games too often last season and that "we'll find out who wants to be here."

One Iowa parent said some players had gained 30 to 50 pounds since entering the hospital because of the amount of fluids that have been forced into their bodies.

The parent said that one player was told he had sustained "20 to 30 percent loss of kidney function and that the damage may or may not be repaired."


 Here is evidence that a similar occurrance happend in SC.  And recommended procedures were written to avoid it happening again.

Rupert Galvez, a Denver doctor who specializes in sports medicine, helped treat seven University of South Carolina swimmers for similar symptoms as a medical fellow and wrote a 2008 paper about their case in the Clinical Journal of Sports Medicine warning coaches to avoid the same problem with rigorous workouts after extended layoffs.


aaronhawkeye44:the only people I see talking trash about either are idiots like Dodd, Doyel and posters like e2Brutus.......

Yeah, your point is clear.  You are the only one that can have an opinion.  Anyone questioning Iowa or their coaching staff is "talking trash"! 
Show me where I said anything about the coaching staff or the university that was "trash talk".

I'll give you another one of my opinions.  What is really sad is that you are aware of reading comprehension classes at your local community college but have failed to take advantage of them.  You readily suggest them to anyone that disagrees with you. 




Since: Aug 27, 2006
Posted on: January 29, 2011 10:12 am
 

Ferentz, Iowa AD locations revealed

What I see is every parent of the hospitalized football players backing the coaching staff and the University..... the only people I see talking trash about either are idiots like Dodd, Doyel and posters like e2Brutus.......  So the answer to your question brutus is no, you don't have a clue!  Obviously if anything was mishandled you would have heard parents giving angry interviews and throwing the University and coaching staff under the bus, this didn't happen.



Since: Sep 23, 2010
Posted on: January 28, 2011 1:04 am
 

Ferentz, Iowa AD locations revealed

I see a lot of people having opinions on an issue that they have no clue about. Have some damn patience and wait for all the facts to come out before you make judgments. Before we start casting stones, realize that this is a very isolated incident. It is easy to start looking for people to blame when, in fact, these workouts have taken place for years without incident. My guess is that group went out boozing the night before and could not get hydrated enough to protect themselves. Remember when you were 21-22 years old?

What I see is every prospective athlete and their parents notice that it was too much trouble for the head coach or the athletic director to make it to the hospital that night.  Does that count as a "clue"?

 



Since: Dec 15, 2007
Posted on: January 27, 2011 10:44 pm
 

Ferentz, Iowa AD locations revealed

I'm not sure why the HC has to be at a press conference just because the media says they have to.  There is nothing the HC can do at this point but wait for results.  He can talk to Doyle over the phone.  He doesn't need to fly back home just to let the media dig their claws in.  Our society needs to stop allowing the media to dictate people's lives.  We don't report to the media, people.  Don't give me that PR BS either.  We don't have to tolerate the media's sensationalism of every story just to gain eye balls and web clicks.


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