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Gee comments off the mark

Posted on: November 24, 2010 12:24 pm
Edited on: November 24, 2010 12:41 pm
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Posted by Jerry Hinnen

Particularly for an academic, Ohio State president Gordon Gee has never been shy about expressing his opinions on athletics, popular or not.

And it's a safe bet that the opinions he expressed today in an interview with the AP are going to be most decidedly unpopular in Boise and Fort Worth. Writing off entire conferences as the "Little Sisters of the Poor" isn't particularly becoming for the president of the nation's largest university, and criticizing TCU and Boise for their schedules is more than a little hypocritical when one advanced rating puts the Buckeyes' schedule strength barely above the Frogs' or Broncos' and both non-AQ teams have played a more challenging nonconference slate than the Buckeyes' lineup with Marshall , Eastern Michigan , and Ohio .

But as infuriating as Gee's viewpoint might be to those who'd agree the non-AQ teams are far more deserving this season than the 10-1 Buckeyes (whose best win until last week's triumph at 7-4 Iowa was a home win over either 7-4 Penn State or 7-4 Miami ), at the end of the day it's just another warmed-over rehashing of the same arguments that have surrounded Boise and TCU all season (and for much of the past two). Where Gee is really, truly wrong is in his comments on expanding the football postseason to ensure that we don't have to have these same tired debates:

Gee, long an admirer of the BCS and the current bowl system, said he was against a playoff in the Football Bowl Subdivision.

"If you put a gun to my head and said, 'What are you going to do about a playoff system [if] the BCS system as it now exists goes away?' I would vote immediately to go back to the bowl system," he said.

He said the current system is better for the student-athletes.

"It's not about this incessant drive to have a national championship because I think that's a slippery slope to professionalism," he said. "I'm a fan of the bowl system and I think that by and large it's worked very, very well."

Gee isn't just arguing that Boise and TCU don't deserve a title shot this year; he's arguing that college football should entrench a postseason system that would ensure that they never got that title shot. What his argument (and similar diatribes against "playoffs") misses is that college football already has a playoff; it selects a number of teams, pairs them off, and the winner is automatically declared the champion. Where the BCS playoff differs from every other playoff in existence is that it only includes two teams. To frame the debate in terms of some nebulous future "playoff" against a current BCS system that varies from that bogeyman only in terms of the number of teams involved is to rig the debate permanently in the BCS's favor.

Gee's desire to preserve what amateurism and respect for academics remain in college football is admirable. But there's a point at which even those concerns have to give way to basic fairness. And surely the permanent exclusion of the TCU's and Boise's of the sport from national title consideration represents that point; what Gee proposes is to draw a line between college football's haves and have-nots, one based on conference affiliation, and declare that the latter can never cross it. It's elitism and snobbery of the highest order.

Now, a show of hands: who's in favor of Wisconsin blowing their season finale against Northwestern and setting up a showdown between Gee's Buckeyes and either the Frogs or Broncos in the Rose Bowl ? Is that everyone (Badger fans excluded)? Yes, we think that's everyone.

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Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: December 27, 2011 12:04 am
 

Gee comments off the mark

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Since: Apr 6, 2008
Posted on: November 27, 2010 11:52 am
 

Gee comments off the mark

Why is this DUMBASS crying?? He was given a national title with a fake pass interference call several years ago. He should shut up and let the players play and the bogus BCS board do their thing. If his team was undefeated he could cry if TCU got a shot at the title before him. His team is NOT undefeated and he has NOTHING to say. Go home and cry all winter and spring and summer until next season, when you will NOT go undefeated again!!! Ha!! Crying DUMBASS!!!!!



Since: Mar 29, 2008
Posted on: November 26, 2010 8:18 pm
 

Gee comments off the mark

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Like many, I am praying for a bowl game where Ohio State gets matched up with either Boise State or TCU.  Then Gee can not only eat his words but something else.  To me OSU is a laughing stock of mediocrity over the years.  Fooling many people into believing they can play in a big game against an actually good opponent, unlike the many mediocre teams OSU plays in the current Big 10.  I hate Nebraska and will not miss them leaving the Big 12, but wait until OSU has to play games in Lincoln, Nebraska.  That will be a sure sign of how mediocre OSU football really is.




Since: Sep 29, 2007
Posted on: November 26, 2010 6:40 pm
 

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" I couldn't give two cents about Auburn or Oregon but I'm pulling for both, and just for good measure we can hope Nevada pulls off the upset."

Why do you dislike Boise St. so much that you want Nevada to beat them?  Does it strike you as odd that you are pretty much the only person here agreeing with what Gee said?  Clearly you are biased against Boise and TCU so you must be a fan of some team that has NO shot at playing in a significant game correct?  I can't wait to see Alabama beat Auburn and Boise St. beat Nevada, something tells me you'll be on here venting away again....




Hey Kevin Fever......How's that Alabama pick doing for you...lol.  Hell, even if Alabama had gone down and kicked a field goal and won the game Auburn (Or Wisonsin, Michingan State, Ohio State or any other 1 loss team that wins a big boy conference) would still be more deserving than an all star team picked from TCU and Boise St.  Understand something.  I don't hate Boise or TCU.  It just simply is not right that in the scenario of a one game playoff that a team can go undefeated in nothing more than a FCS conference on steroids and play for a national title.  It's 1000% wrong and unfair to the teams that have to play big time talent every week. 

And, yes, I am a fan of a team that's not playing for squat......but, let Florida play in the WAC and it would be The Gators sitting at #4 and not be any better than they are.  Same team, same players......give Florida (yes, very mediocre Florida) Boise State or TCU's schedule and The Gators are 11-0.  You whiners can moan about teams being scared of Boise all you want but until the system changes and we have a playoff OR the BCS schools get smart and leave the NCAA this is what your stuck with.



Since: Dec 2, 2007
Posted on: November 26, 2010 5:56 pm
 

Gee comments off the mark

Here are the BCS rankings - MW - two teams in top 20 - TCU (3) and Utah (20)

                                       WAC - two teams in top 20 - BSU (4) and NEV (19) (soon to be out of the top 25 after loss to BSU)

                                    BIG 10 - three teams in top 10 - WISC (7), OSU (8) and MSU (10) + Iowa @ #24

After seeing this dose anyone honestly believe either TCU or BSU deserves a title shot? I not saying anybody from big 10 deserves a title shot either (and neither dose LSU) I’m in Los Angeles and the LA Times has had BSU #1 every week - I think some sports writers are just trying to screw up BCS so we'll go to a playoff system. I think from now of they have to take in account strength of schedule (and not margin of victory - that only encourages running up the score - which I hate).




Since: Nov 26, 2010
Posted on: November 26, 2010 12:42 pm
 

Gee comments off the mark

What an absolute clown.  I can't believe that he can actually say that with a straight face.  Anyone who has ever watched the March Madness tourney has to think that a playoff would be great for football as well.

This is all about money, and the greed and arogance of a few schools, and nothing to do with crowining a true champion.


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Since: Aug 25, 2006
Posted on: November 25, 2010 6:30 pm
 

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lets break down ohio states awesome strength of schedule

week 1 marshall 4-7 conference usa     &n
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week 2 miami(fl) 7-4 acc     &n
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week 3 ohio 8-3 mac     &n
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week 4 eastern michigan 2-9 mac     &n
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week 5 @illinois 6-5 big ten     &n
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week 6 indiana 4-7 big ten     &n
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week 7 @wisconsin LOSS  10-1 big ten     &n
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week 8 purdue 4-7 big ten   

week 9 @minnesota 2-9 big ten

week 10 penn state 7-4 big ten

week 11 @iowa 7-4 big ten

week 12 michigan 7-4 big ten


thats 0 non conference road games....the best team record wise they have beaten is ohio.....they are 1-1 vs. teams currently ranked in the top 25...iowa is 24th..WOW....pretty lame....       
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Since: Sep 19, 2006
Posted on: November 25, 2010 5:32 pm
 

Gee comments off the mark

I am a Buckeye but still a huge Boise State fan who would love to see them get their shot.  I whole-heartedly disagree with Gee's comments but where are you getting your information?  Since 1936 Big Ten teams have won or shared in 14 national titles.  OSU has won 5, MIN has won 4, MICH and MSU have won 2 each and Penn State has 1 (yeah, they're in the Big Ten now so it counts).  I'd say that's a pretty powerful conference that has won its share.  If you're going to count titles from 1936 and on then count them from 1936 and on.  Why conveniently change the criteria for each of the Big Ten teams that have actually won a championship?



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